1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,240 The Air Force has been accused in time of hiding information about UFO. 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,160 What do you have to say to that kind of thing? 3 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,520 Police charges are absolutely untrue. 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:23,680 We've always honored accredited media when they want to investigate a given specific 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:24,680 sighting. 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:25,680 There's nothing to hide. 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,480 There's nothing to hide at all. 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,560 The U.S. has retrieved alien technology. 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,800 David Grush, a whistleblower who has accused the government of withholding information 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,000 related to UFOs. 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Grush claimed the Pentagon is hiding evidence of non-human origin spacecraft. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,000 As given Congress classified information. 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,200 The secret government UFO crash retrieval program. 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,720 That has reportedly found wreckage of fully intact UFO. 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,400 Something the Pentagon despairs. 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,160 George Knapp and I fought hard with a lot of others behind the scenes to make sure that 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,840 this hearing could happen. 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,080 This was the first time in history you have actual whistleblowers coming forward in front 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,080 of Congress. 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,240 Dave Grush talked about non-human biologic. 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:16,400 He knows where UAPs were recovered that there are over a dozen spacecraft. 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:23,560 Saying UAPs are in our airspace and they are quote grossly under-reported. 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,320 This is being taken very, very serious. 24 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:31,200 Congress is very much aware that this is a significant issue. 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,680 These things are having an actual impact on our military. 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,520 There are witnesses associated with the government who are concerned about retaliation. 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,440 He detailed multiple threats to his own life and to other people who were around him. 28 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,080 There's something going on that they're trying to keep secret. 29 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,080 I mean that's obvious. 30 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,880 There is something about these phenomena that they do not want us to know the truth behind 31 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:53,880 it. 32 00:01:53,880 --> 00:02:03,720 So there has been activity by alien or non-human technology and or beings that has caused harm 33 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,600 to humans. 34 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,320 What I personally witnessed myself and my wife was very disturbing. 35 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:26,000 My name is Jeremy Corbell. 36 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:32,840 Nobody that I have met knows the true story, the true answers about what UFOs represent 37 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,200 to humanity. 38 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:45,520 And it is part of my life mission to try to get closer to that truth. 39 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,040 People say you can't handle the truth. 40 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,080 I don't buy that for one second. 41 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,200 We've always been able to handle the truth. 42 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:58,320 Any time you get resistance or any time there's some suppression, that fuels me. 43 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,280 It's a high stakes gain being a whistleblower. 44 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:08,240 There are covert and overt attempts to stop individuals from speaking about what they 45 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,480 know when it comes to UAP. 46 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,520 People don't want this information, whatever it might be, to be public. 47 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:20,080 You're going to try to dehumanize the messenger to diminish the message. 48 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,240 That's old hat. 49 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,240 That's old trick. 50 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,240 That's 101 disinformation. 51 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:32,240 People who know things, especially top secret things, I would say are at risk. 52 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,240 Oh fuck yeah they are. 53 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,160 I want to know your thoughts on that. 54 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,160 At being at risk? 55 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,160 Yeah. 56 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,160 I'm a journalist. 57 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,160 I'm untouchable. 58 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:52,360 You have an inspiring amount of confidence that journalists are safer. 59 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:58,840 Give me just a second, okay? 60 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,080 The House Oversight Committee is set to hear from three witnesses this morning. 61 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,120 Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, 62 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,520 the nothing but the truth? 63 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,880 So help you guys. 64 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,280 David Grush coming forward is a symbol of the times we're in now. 65 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:21,040 It's a symbol of people being sick and tired of being lied to about the presence of UFOs 66 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,360 on planet Earth. 67 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,440 This is just next level. 68 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,360 This is just next level shit. 69 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:32,320 I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval 70 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,080 and reverse engineering program. 71 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:40,240 David Grush had been a soldier in Afghanistan and he worked on the UAP task force so he 72 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,240 had a very legitimate and very high level intelligence background. 73 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:49,000 He knew from talking to high level people in the intelligence community that the United 74 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:54,720 States had retrieved intact craft, not of Earthly origin. 75 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,280 Have you met with people with direct knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself of non-human 76 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:00,600 origin craft? 77 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,400 Yes, I personally interviewed those individuals. 78 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:09,720 There is telling the world not only are UFOs real but we've been reverse engineering them, 79 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,480 that not only the craft but there were biologics associated with the craft. 80 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,160 We're talking pilots. 81 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,320 We're talking beings, people. 82 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,120 And if you understand what's going on with the UFO topic, people that are not from here. 83 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:30,480 There are non-human pilot bodies of non-humans recovered with these crafts which if substantiated 84 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,800 would be one of the most important discoveries ever made on the planet. 85 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,680 If I was to tell you about David Grush two years ago and what he's come out with in terms 86 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,120 of the allegations he made, you would have thought I'm mad. 87 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,960 You would have thought I'm absolutely crazy but this is where we're at now in terms of 88 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,240 reality. 89 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:55,080 I have to be careful what I say in detail because there is an open whistleblower reprisal investigation 90 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,080 on my behalf. 91 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,400 It was very brutal and very unfortunate. 92 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,600 Some of the tactics they used hurt me both professionally and personally to be quite 93 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,560 frank. 94 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:12,400 He came forward because he feared for his personal well-being, for his safety, for his life. 95 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,520 And so this was a bombshell. 96 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:19,960 I've suffered retaliation for my decision but I am hopeful that my actions will ultimately 97 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,200 lead to a positive outcome of increased transparency. 98 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:29,480 Have you had incidences that have caused you to be in fear for your life for addressing 99 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:30,480 these issues? 100 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,080 Yes, personally. 101 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,440 The idea that our government could potentially be retaliating against whistleblowers who 102 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,200 want to come forward and not just threatening their careers but also their lives, I mean 103 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,920 this is a huge story. 104 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,280 Every American really should be taken seriously. 105 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:51,600 I do have knowledge of active planned reprisal activity against myself and other colleagues 106 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,000 and it's very upsetting to me. 107 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,600 Everything from where? 108 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,600 Certain senior leadership at previous agencies I was associated with. 109 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,680 If the government is retaliating against David Grush, they're doing so for a reason 110 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,240 and it wouldn't just be because he's saying things that they don't like. 111 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,720 That's terrifying. 112 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,160 Why would they be retaliating against him if what he's saying is a true? 113 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,560 There were certain colleagues of mine that were brutally administratively attacked and 114 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,440 it actually makes me very upset. 115 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,240 Look, when you go through this process, it becomes very personal. 116 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,200 This is a real person. 117 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,400 I've gotten to know him. 118 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,200 I mean he's been to my house, he's met my family. 119 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,400 It's not just somebody you see on television. 120 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:36,080 There's real repercussions to his life and his career. 121 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:43,160 Has any of the activity been aggressive and hostile in your reports? 122 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:50,040 I know of multiple colleagues of mine that got physically injured and the activity... 123 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:57,400 By UAPs or by people within the federal government. 124 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:58,400 Both. 125 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,960 With a guy like David Grush, when he made his testimony, 126 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,440 he said to my wife, 127 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,640 this man will experience death by a thousand cuts. 128 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,640 It's the nail that sticks out that gets hammered. 129 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:22,040 David Grush came forward with claims the United States government is attempting to leak medical records, 130 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:27,440 detailing his struggle with post-traumatic stress disorder to the intercept in order to discredit him. 131 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:33,640 It doesn't surprise me, but it is in the rule book of how you try to disassemble a witness. 132 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,080 So after the hearing, I mean you could script it. 133 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,840 And the PTSD thing is like the lowest hanging fruit. 134 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,400 If you want to discredit the message, you discredit the messenger. 135 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,880 What I said in the article and what the documents that I found under FOIA show, 136 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,480 is that his current wife described him as an alcoholic and said that he has these episodes. 137 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,440 You're going to go in for a medical procedure and you find out the surgeon is alcoholic. 138 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:02,440 Is that going to factor into your assessment of whether or not this person has the judgment that they need? 139 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:03,280 I think it should. 140 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:08,880 You had somebody in the intelligence community that knew this information, that told this reporter, 141 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,480 hey you ought to go look at this arrest report. 142 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,080 And the arrest report documents the PTSD. 143 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,080 You had intelligence community leaking this. 144 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,680 And I'm sure they're interviewing my third grade girlfriend as we speak. 145 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:25,080 The article itself didn't even pretend to not be a hit job. 146 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,880 PTSD maybe is something to kid about in Washington, D.C. or to make fun of. 147 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,880 But I'll tell you what, where I come from, we take that stuff serious. 148 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,080 We value and honor our veterans and I knew they would do it. 149 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:44,680 Is reporting on someone's mental health crisis one that David Gresh suffered five years ago really fair game? 150 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:49,680 It's interesting that they would use PTSD to discredit him for a war veteran. 151 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:51,280 That seems insane. 152 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:57,680 You're shaming someone for seeking help from something that most soldiers come back and have to deal with. 153 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:59,280 That's really insane. 154 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:06,280 One of the biggest issues for individual suffering from it is not receiving treatment due to stigma associated with that. 155 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,480 They're despicable, they're dirtbags, but it's about power, it's about control. 156 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:16,680 Do you imagine if you had an energy source that those videos showed that doesn't send off a heat signature? 157 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:18,880 What that would do to the Pentagon? 158 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,880 They would get all the oil barons, they could eat their sand, they could eat that oil. 159 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,280 It'd put them all out of business. 160 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,480 The war pimps at the Pentagon, they'd have to go looking for something else to do. 161 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,480 We wouldn't be fighting these worthless wars overseas for old. 162 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,880 You're talking about billions of dollars light years ahead of research. 163 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,680 So yeah, you think they wouldn't ruin your career for that? 164 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:46,680 These are such bullshit little nitpicky attempts to silence him and punish him for what he had already shared. 165 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:53,880 He was very upset, very depressed, drinking too much, suffering classic symptoms of PTSD and it spilled over. 166 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,080 I think his wife told police he wants to kill himself, he needs help. 167 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:03,080 He was detained, put him in a facility to protect him for 24 hours. 168 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,080 This is serious, it's been serious for a long time and it's been ignored for way too long. 169 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:12,080 George Knapp and I, we know how the media works, we can see how the pushback works, 170 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:17,480 we know how the disinformation campaign works and it's like just trying to cut away at people's credibility. 171 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:25,680 To have that particular moment, the lowest moment in his life, exploited and exposed and ridiculed, 172 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:31,680 is the lowest of the low, it's among the worst slime jobs by a major news organization that I have ever seen. 173 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:38,680 Nobody was suggesting that his accounts of the retrieved craft and other things that he said to Congress 174 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:41,680 were not true over the products of trauma. 175 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:45,680 I guess that was the impression that the article was trying to give, that there was something wrong with his story. 176 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,880 The intercept was created by and for whistleblowers. 177 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,880 It was created in the wake of the Edward Snowden revelations. 178 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,880 It's in their mission statement. 179 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,880 This place is supposed to be a safe haven for whistleblowers. 180 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,880 Their motive was simply, it was reprisals. 181 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:07,880 They're sending a message, they don't want David to speak out and they want to muzzle anyone else who wants to speak out as well. 182 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,880 Mr. Gresh, finally, do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs? 183 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,880 Absolutely based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years. 184 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:21,080 Did you have any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extra trustee technology? 185 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,080 Yes. 186 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,080 There we go. Boom. 187 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,080 There you are. Hey, what's up, buddy? 188 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,080 How you doing? 189 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,080 Good. Good. 190 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,280 Man, fear the beard, bro. 191 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:51,280 Yeah, well, it's heading into the winter and I like to keep my face warm when it's windy here out in Colorado. 192 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,280 I just want to call you, man. I just kind of ask, how's it been going since you talked in front of Congress? 193 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:00,280 Slow and steady. I mean, there's some congressional interactions that I'm a part of right now behind the scenes. 194 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:07,280 Looks like there's still momentum, but based on world events recently, hopefully that doesn't distract from this process. 195 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,280 Yeah, so for you, is there any moment where you've kind of regretted speaking up? 196 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,480 You kind of had to, right? 197 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,480 Yeah, I mean, I saw that that was the course of action I had to do. 198 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:26,480 I mean, I don't regret it. I didn't want to live in the matrix when there's stuff like this that's being hidden from the world populace. 199 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:35,480 There were certain colleagues of mine that were brutally administratively attacked and it actually makes me very upset as a leader to see that happen to other coworkers. 200 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:42,680 I was talking with the guys earlier today and we talked a little bit about reprisals, not just the ones that are private, but the public ones. 201 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:50,680 You know, when they were attacking and the intercept and shit like that, we were just talking about how hard that must be to kind of navigate all that, but you've done a good job, man. 202 00:13:50,680 --> 00:14:00,680 We're doing it again. It's always hard to, you know, look at what the arm-share quarterbacks and, you know, people who don't even know you want to say about you. 203 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:02,680 So, it comes to the territory. 204 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Were they human or non-human biologics? 205 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:11,880 Non-human and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program. 206 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:22,880 Other than the retaliation, the threats, the reprisals you were facing, this is and was a matter of principle to you that human beings have a right to know this truth, right? 207 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:42,080 Well, 100% I'm not doing this for fame or fortune and it was not queer enhancing and I had to do it for my further, my own protection when it seemed like my inspector general complaints and my reprosal complaints weren't going to fully shield me from, you know, ongoing attacks behind the scenes against myself. 208 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Somebody had to do it and I just decided to do that for the good of the people behind the scenes that are with me on this. 209 00:14:53,080 --> 00:15:01,080 The way they tried to attack you for your PTSD and dehumanize you, do you think that the people that we know are coming forward, people that have filed IG complaints to follow in your footsteps, right? 210 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,080 Do you think they're encouraged by how you've been treated? 211 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:13,080 Some were encouraged and inspired and obviously there were a number of individuals that went to the inspector general after I went public, but they certainly saw like that hit me. 212 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:23,080 And other things and that certainly frightens anybody about have that kind of stuff exposed in your personal life just because you're trying to do something, you know, flee Magnanimous for everybody else. 213 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,080 Did you see a reaction from everybody when you were getting kind of messed with? 214 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:37,080 Yeah, I mean, certainly, we were getting kind of messed with, we were getting kind of messed with, but we were getting kind of messed with. 215 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,080 Did you see a reaction from everybody when you were getting kind of messed with? 216 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:47,080 Yeah, I mean, certainly, the loved ones and people around me, you know, are pretty pissed off to see a lot of that stuff. 217 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:58,080 But I certainly psychologically prepared for kind of the basic attacks and, you know, you never fully ready to kind of see that out in the public sphere. 218 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,080 But, you know, I was, I tried to prepare myself for it. 219 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,080 The attacks on you, some are very frightening to your own physical well-being. 220 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,080 The world doesn't know that story yet. 221 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,080 Not yet. 222 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:18,080 Now, there was stuff that happened in my personal life when I was still in government that caused a lot of concern and I now had to report that to certain intelligence community authorities. 223 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:26,080 There's this hesitancy of people to really commit to this, I don't know what you call it, like disclosure or confirmation. 224 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,080 Come hell or high water, it's going to happen, right? 225 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:34,080 Yeah, there's plenty of people that can back up my allegations that I've, you know, presented publicly. 226 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:40,080 And a lot of them talked to the inspector general that had that firsthand knowledge and were on these programs. 227 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:46,080 I don't regret anything I've said. Everything I said is true and accurate to my knowledge. 228 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:57,080 You know, I think it would be the most courageous thing to, you know, change the tide on this and allow a democratic process to ensue to determine what the public needs to know and can know 229 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:05,080 versus the way basically a, you know, cabal of government and, you know, industrial partners decided to have a truth embargo on reality. 230 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:18,080 I'm excited that this is where the work starts. Getting you up there in front of Congress and you stand in there and telling everybody what's up. 231 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:26,080 That's one step, but that's now just the beginning to the work that's going to be done about bringing people forward and telling the truth to the American public about UFOs. 232 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:37,080 Exactly. I know what I uncovered with high confidence and, you know, I'm just here to hold the government accountable publicly because I felt, you know, that deep conviction. 233 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:42,080 But, you know, buckle up. I guess we'll see if there's any bumps in the road. 234 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:51,080 I am driven by a commitment of both the truth and transparency. I'm asking Congress to hold our government to the standard and thoroughly investigate these claims. 235 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,080 Are you personally optimistic about that, where we're going with this? 236 00:17:55,080 --> 00:18:06,080 On the UAP issue, yes. I'm liking where we're going. I think there's a lot of energy still and we just have to deal with the politics, especially in Washington and Congress right now. 237 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,080 But overall, I'm pretty excited for where things are heading. 238 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:20,080 I think for a lot of people, it's some sort of ontological shock to have this decorated intelligence officer who is a true whistleblower standing up there boldly and being like, look, you've been lied to. 239 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:31,080 UFOs are real. We've been reverse engineering these craft. Not only that, but there's biologics associated with these. All of this has been hidden from you. And it's time to end that. 240 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:38,080 And I think if we keep pushing for that, then we're going to make a lot of progress, man. So just thanks for being loud about this. 241 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:45,080 I know you took a lot of personal risk, but I got your back and I know a lot of other people do too. So thank you. 242 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,080 Very welcome. 243 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:57,080 The United States is not particularly friendly to whistleblowers. For many years, it was basically the kiss of death on your career to come forward. 244 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:06,080 If you were a government employee or a military person to come forward with something that you knew about UFOs, that was not a good career move. That's for sure. 245 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:20,080 There is an army of people who either want to come forward or in process of coming forward. Now, I've personally spoken to numerous individuals. I mean, more than I can say right here. 246 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:26,080 But the thing is, is that a lot of people are in a really sticky situation, even stickier than David Grush's. 247 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:36,080 In my experience, I've encountered a few moments where very prominent individuals have told me that things are not safe. 248 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:44,080 Many years ago, I had a conversation with former astronaut Edgar Mitchell of Apollo 14. 249 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:49,080 Five, four, three, two, one. 250 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:01,080 He was the sixth man to walk on the moon. 251 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:11,080 And in talking about the secrecy of this, he was explicit with me. 252 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:20,080 Edgar said to me, I know of several people who've got definite information about alien bodies and technology, but will never be able to get them to come forward. 253 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,080 He said that the danger to them, to their careers and to their families is too great. 254 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:32,080 These individuals are oftentimes still active in these programs. 255 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:45,080 Can you imagine being just a normal person you've got a family, children to take care of, and you're thinking about, is this that important to me to be the person that testifies to that degree? 256 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:49,080 I mean, it's a real question you have to ask yourself. 257 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:57,080 Dozens more of government UFO whistleblowers have come forward to share information about UFOs to Congress, the Pentagon, and the inspectors general. 258 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:16,080 I had another individual who had an extensive amount of classified history and all kinds of sensitive compartment and information, black budget programs and like, who said to me, when you get to the certain level of secrecy, you're not even asked to sign any NDAs or disclaimers. 259 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,080 He says it is known that you will not talk. 260 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,080 Again, this is like the mafia. 261 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:30,080 It is understood you do not talk about these things or things will not go well for you. 262 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:40,080 One of the ways that people are preemptively pushed off track, if they're thinking about coming forward, is putting them under review, questioning their mental health. 263 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:48,080 All of this keeping their clearances in a purgatory so they literally can't leave the job that they are doing at that time. 264 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:55,080 You know, you research a subject like this for a long enough period of time. 265 00:21:55,080 --> 00:22:02,080 You are going to come across disturbing and shocking pieces of information. 266 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:17,080 I remember close to 20 years ago, I was shown a series of notes about alien technology and the attempt to replicate that technology. 267 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:30,080 And in 2019, 13 years later, those notes, all of them, were leaked out to the public. 268 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:46,080 These were notes written by Dr. Eric Davis, a very brilliant, brilliant man, who had an interview in 2002, who was an admiral named Thomas Wilson, who was a head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff back during the administration of President Bill Clinton. 269 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,080 They're known as the Davis Wilson notes. 270 00:22:53,080 --> 00:23:04,080 When those notes came out, I knew for a fact that those notes were legit, and I put myself out there to publicly state that that's real. 271 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:38,080 This is a conversation about Wilson's failed attempt to get access to a program that was designed to study and replicate a genuine alien flying saucer. 272 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,080 Just think about that implication for a minute. 273 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,080 I go out and I make this statement, that's real. 274 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:59,080 And my God, you want to talk about a hornet's nest? That is a motherfucking hornet's nest. 275 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:07,080 When those notes were released, you had a huge portion saying that's a hoax, that's nonsense, that's disinformation, whatever. 276 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,080 And I got a lot of personal attacks during that time too. 277 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,080 Like, Dolan's an idiot, he's a fool, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he's a liar, whatever. 278 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:22,080 Well, no, those notes were absolutely real, and researchers absolutely understand those totally are real. 279 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:35,080 It also gets a lot darker, the direct retaliation, the physical threats, and some of it's so diabolical to keep things secret. 280 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:40,080 People are silenced. I don't know how better to say that. 281 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:50,080 When you go back through the long history of this subject, there have actually been some very, very odd and mysterious and unexplained injuries and deaths to certain researchers over time. 282 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,080 And it makes you wonder, is there something going on here? 283 00:24:54,080 --> 00:25:00,080 People often ask, well, why was the government so insistent in knocking down these UFO stories? 284 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,080 Because it did not want to admit that here was a phenomenon that the government couldn't protect us from. 285 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:16,080 They had aerodynamic properties that exceeded anything we could do, and if they did turn hostile, there was no way that our government could protect people. 286 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,080 From whatever technology these things, whatever they were, possessed. 287 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:28,080 And that apparently was a big motivating factor to ridicule them, to create the stigma around it, which persists to this day. 288 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,080 The stigma attached to UAP is real and powerful and challenges national security. 289 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,080 It silences commercial pilots who fear professional repercussions, discourages witnesses. 290 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:45,080 I urge us to put aside state-of-the-art, and to make sure that we are not being forced to do anything that is not a crime. 291 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,080 I urge us to put aside stigma and address the security and safety issue this topic represents. 292 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:58,080 This idea of how we stigmatize UFOs, that was part of a disinformation campaign to begin with, to make UFOs part of the laugh factory. 293 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,080 To make it something that intelligent people just don't talk about. 294 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,080 Governor Christie, do you believe that the recent spike in UFO encounters? 295 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,080 I get the UFO question? 296 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,080 Yeah, you do. 297 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,080 Come on, man. 298 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,080 Have you seen spacecraft made from outside of this world? 299 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,080 Absolutely not. 300 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,080 Has anyone ever talked about that with you? 301 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,080 No. 302 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:26,080 I feel bad for them if they just try to laugh this off. 303 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:35,080 I'm not sure exactly what causes smart people to blind themselves, to try to fight, to understand the unknowable or the unknown. 304 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:42,080 Then we've incentivized human beings to really take a look at what's going on, what's right in front of their face. 305 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,080 If anyone would know about aliens on Earth, it would probably be me. 306 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,080 I would think. 307 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,080 Yeah, I'm, you know, very familiar with space stuff. 308 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:57,080 I've seen no evidence of aliens, so I would immediately tweet it out. 309 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,080 This is, let's hang in. 310 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,080 I'd be like, I'd be like, all the time. 311 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,080 Probably top three to the whole time. 312 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,080 I found one, guys. 313 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,080 It's a jackpot. 314 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,080 I have talked to pilots myself. 315 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,080 I've been on the radio for a long time. 316 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,080 I've been on the radio for a long time. 317 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,080 I've been on the radio for a long time. 318 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,080 I have talked to pilots myself, and many see these things. 319 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,080 Many don't report them because there was a stigma for many years. 320 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:31,080 If you report a UFO on a commercial flight, you go straight to the psychiatrist. 321 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:57,080 The airline companies did not want to hear about it. 322 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,080 That was a policy. 323 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,080 Do not report UFOs. 324 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,080 Many, many commercial pilots have seen things that they cannot explain. 325 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,080 We just had something go right over the top of us that, I hate to say this, 326 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,080 looked like a long, cylindrical object. 327 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:18,080 I'm not even upset when it comes to the naysayers, the skeptics, the debunkers. 328 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,080 I think it's important that we have dissent. 329 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,080 We have a lot of different voices out there. 330 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,080 I mean, honestly, it appears to me to be like a mental illness 331 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,080 where you're presented information such as witness testimony. 332 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,080 Others have reached out to me that share their experiences, 333 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,080 both on the military side as well as the commercial aviation side. 334 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,080 To exclude that, just to come to the conclusion you want to. 335 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,080 But ultimately, the truth has a way of just punching through that. 336 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,080 It just takes time. 337 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,080 Whatever alien they got in the closet, do you think the government is that competent 338 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,080 that they could actually keep such a secret? 339 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:02,080 If we had an alien invasion, more than the U.S. government would know about it. 340 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,080 We would know about it. 341 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:15,080 We, with cameras and smartphones, we are crowdsourcing an alien invasion of Earth, 342 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,080 because everybody has a camera. 343 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:28,080 So this is part of the mystery that the pictures have not been better over the years, 344 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,080 even with all the advanced technology we have, 345 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,080 and even the videos that came out with the 2017 New York Times article, 346 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,080 were not crystal clear close-up videos. 347 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,080 So I guess the good news maybe is that these are not extraterrestrial things 348 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,080 that we have recorded flying around. 349 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,080 It also always seems like these videos they release of these UAPs were shot on like a baked potato. 350 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,080 Like I'm confused as to why the quality of these images aren't better yet. 351 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:03,080 There's something about this phenomenon that seems to frustrate good measurement 352 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,080 and good photography and good imaging. 353 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,080 I don't know why, but it is not something that's an accident that, 354 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,080 oh, you know, everybody failed to capture this proper image. 355 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:18,080 It is a hallmark of the phenomenon that the pictures don't really do justice 356 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,080 to what people say they've seen. 357 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,080 Are they serious? 358 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,080 Wow, another one. A fourth one. 359 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,080 One of the things I hear all the time is that there's a lack of evidence. 360 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,080 You've got this phenomenon that is entering into our digital age, 361 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,080 entering into an age of social media, into higher and higher quality imagery and video. 362 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:48,080 You would expect that we'd be getting better video and photographic evidence of this 363 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,080 as our ability to record stuff increases. 364 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:56,080 There is always, of course, the idea that whatever this is is more intelligent than us, 365 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:02,080 and it's very capable of understanding if it wants to remain secret what that takes. 366 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,080 Yo, what is it? 367 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:13,080 Yo, oh, hey, what the fuck was that? 368 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:38,080 We are in Mexico City. Excited to testify later today. 369 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,080 Got in late last night, hearing today at four. So pretty exciting. 370 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,080 Glad we were able to come in and have this conversation. 371 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,080 I never thought I'd be in Mexico City talking about this. 372 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,080 I certainly didn't think I would be traveling around the world, frankly, to discuss this topic, but here we are. 373 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,080 Welcome to Merch. I'm Ryan Graves. 374 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,080 Today I'm joined by Sinziana, who has a background in theoretical physics, 375 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,080 and we'll be discussing the science behind UAP and what comes next. 376 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,080 Sinziana, thank you for joining me. 377 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:16,080 Lieutenant Ryan Graves represents hundreds and hundreds of pilots that are having first-hand direct experiences 378 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,080 where they are seeing UFOs every day. 379 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:28,080 In 2014, I was an F-18 Foxrot pilot, and the Navy fighter attacks Squadron 11, the Red Rippers. 380 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,080 UAP are in our airspace, but they are grossly underreported. 381 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,080 Ryan Graves is a fascinating person. He's a very brave person. 382 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:46,080 He was one of the first people to speak out about his anomalous experiences and his encounters with UAP as a fighter pilot while he was still enlisted. 383 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:52,080 Ryan is the perfect person to be talking about air safety issues with regard to UAP. 384 00:32:52,080 --> 00:33:01,080 I have been reaching out to pilots globally. I've spoken to pilots Central America, South America, Europe, Middle East, Eastern Asia, Australia. 385 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:07,080 These pilots are seeing the same things that are being seen off the Eastern Seaboard, off the Western Seaboard. 386 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,080 Recognizing the need for action in answers, I founded Americans for Safe Aerospace. 387 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:22,080 This is an aspect of the UFO phenomenon that really caught people's attention because if our pilots are in danger, if our pilots are having these near misses, then that's something we have to take really seriously. 388 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:32,080 We will have a public audience for the first time in a route towards the possible legislation of unidentified anomalous air phenomena. 389 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,080 There will be characters from all over the world. 390 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,080 I'm here with the Lieutenant Ryan Graves. 391 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,080 I received an invitation from Congressman Luna's office in Mexico City. 392 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:58,080 The purpose was to bring together various pilots to put recommendations forward for how reporting of this should proceed and to encourage the Mexican Congress to be able to push forward and recognition of this as an aviation safety issue. 393 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,080 Every country has sightings. 394 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,080 Malitos, O'Neill. 395 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:12,080 This is something that is global. It permeates every part of society all around the world. 396 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,080 What can we do? We are very... 397 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,080 We are eating! Meeting! 398 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,080 Bam! What is that? Anybody tell me what that is? 399 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:29,080 Individuals are having these close encounters. So the idea that we could do something like this, hopefully it gives permission. 400 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,080 It inspires other countries to do the same and we are starting to see that. 401 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:44,080 My expectations for this hearing is simply to be able to go in and talk about my experiences, share the lessons learned that we've had in the United States, and to bring awareness to what the pilots are going through. 402 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:53,080 I could see this being a failure if it is dramaticized or overindulged on the things that we don't have data to support. 403 00:34:53,080 --> 00:35:01,080 This needs to be a very data-focused conversation and discussion. And if the conversation delves into speculation, I believe that could be a problem. 404 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:41,080 This is important. This is another country taking the initiative and bringing people together in a professional setting and talking about the UFO problem. 405 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:51,080 We're UAP, we're panning, we're real, we're observed, we're documented by credible sources. Yet we know very little about them. Thanks to efforts like today, we are starting to see that change. 406 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,080 You had good people talk and that spread the information. 407 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,080 Then there was this moment. 408 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,080 And you saw this unveiling. 409 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:42,080 That was an unfortunate development. 410 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:58,080 If you even have a basic understanding of anatomy, it's very clear that these are not real individuals. 411 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,080 I'm gonna, I don't know, I think I said I'm still processing a bit, but... 412 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,080 Yeah, maybe we can, I'll circle back on that one, that's just funny. 413 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:26,080 To surprise the attendees with something that has not been scientifically substantiated in any way, for me it was almost like I was being pranked in a sense. 414 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:32,080 I just kind of disbelieved. I had no indication that that would be brought out in the hearing at that level. 415 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:37,080 So for me it was a bit of shock and disbelief and just disappointment all happening at once. 416 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:48,080 My honest reaction to the alien corpses, the alleged alien corpses, total bullshit. 417 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:56,080 I'm not saying that we don't have biologics, that we don't have bodies, pilots from these craft. 418 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:04,080 I know that to be true, but this was just over the top. It kind of felt like, here we go, here comes the circus. 419 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,080 Aliens have landed in Mexico. 420 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,080 They're hitting on out again. 421 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,080 If you've grown up watching movies like ET, these corpses may look very familiar to you. 422 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,080 Yeah, it looks like ET, you're right. The alleged alien corpses were found in Peru. 423 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:27,080 I refuse to believe that A. Steven Spielberg was so close in casting ET, but also I am not fearing an alien invasion if they are yay high. 424 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,080 Here we are. 425 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,080 Oh, I love this! 426 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,080 There's two of them? 427 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,080 There was two of them. 428 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,080 She always needs to spare. 429 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,080 Yeah, yeah. 430 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,080 Did we procreate with these things? 431 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,080 Oh, you're saying back in the night somebody point an alien's hand? 432 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,080 What's happening to us? 433 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080 Oh, smackin' alien cheats, you're saying? 434 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,080 They've been shown two desiccated bodies? 435 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,080 They look like me when I'm hungover. 436 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,080 It just attracted from the important message that we were looking to accomplish in Mexico. 437 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:03,080 There wasn't much talk of the potential for momentum on aviation reporting for UAP in Mexico. 438 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,080 And that really got drowned out, so for me that was disappointing. 439 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,080 So you can do it somewhere else or you cannot do it? 440 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,080 I would do it at whatever you want. 441 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,080 Okay, so... 442 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,080 You don't want it? 443 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,080 No. 444 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,080 Okay, you want to do it with him, just? 445 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,080 Just with him? 446 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,080 Wherever I can do it on the media, but I don't want to do it in front of the bodies. 447 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,080 Okay. 448 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,080 I'll do it somewhere else. 449 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,080 I would change this, okay? 450 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,080 Just give me one second, please. 451 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:31,080 You know, it all comes down to having genuine data that can be fact-checked and confirmed by an outside community. 452 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,080 And, you know, there is a claim that these were studied by scientists and this and that. 453 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:40,080 I've not seen any evidence that any of this information was peer-reviewed in the least. 454 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,080 I had access to that data two years ago. 455 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,080 They came to me and asked for my help. 456 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,080 And I was intrigued. 457 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:57,080 I think, unfortunately, the way that it was done does not give one the opportunity to go and check the methods. 458 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,080 They did it wrong, unfortunately. 459 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,080 With the best intention, but they did it wrong. 460 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,080 None of the bones articulate with one another. 461 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:27,080 They're a mishmash of different human bones from different parts of the body that are all stuck together. 462 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:34,080 And quite unfortunately, they're the result of grave robbers going into ancient burial sites 463 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:41,080 and taking the bones of children to construct these things and sell them and to have them paraded around to a global audience. 464 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,080 Did you see the bodies? 465 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,080 I did. I did. I certainly did. 466 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,080 I mean... 467 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,080 If you know someone who wants to investigate, just call me. 468 00:40:49,080 --> 00:41:06,080 The way that that hearing was handled for me was a step backwards because it's a conversation where if you start mixing the incredulous and the unsustainstitiated with real pragmatic concerns that pilots and professionals are dealing with 469 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:13,080 and minimizes that safety aspect and it draws the attention to the more inflammatory side. 470 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:21,080 So for me, that's why I had to step backward and it's those type of actions that I think kind of can slow down that global uptake of reporting on this topic. 471 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,080 And that's for me why I was disappointed. 472 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,080 The UFO community is absolutely its worst enemy. 473 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:42,080 And partly because I think a lot of people want to believe and they'll sometimes look past clearly manipulated documents, films, even fake alien bodies simply to perpetuate that belief system. 474 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,080 This subject has always been three steps forward, five hundred steps back. 475 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,080 Can't look like a fake little Mexican UFO baby. 476 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,080 They're doubling down. 477 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,080 No they're not. 478 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,080 Because I want to believe in it so bad. 479 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,080 That's the problem. 480 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,080 Because it's so fun. 481 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,080 You know, the idea of spaceships coming here from another galaxy. 482 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:06,080 It takes away from legitimate science that's being done with regard to studying this phenomenon. 483 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,080 But the more we talk about this, it's important to debate these things. 484 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:17,080 It's important to call BS on a hoax and talk about why it's a hoax and how do we move past this. 485 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:24,080 But maybe a better way to look at it is in a more positive sense is to say, that's not how it's done. 486 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,080 So should anything else come along to be studied? 487 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,080 Let's do it the right way. 488 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:34,080 The UFO subject has always been a magnet for sensationalist claims. 489 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,080 There are things going on that actually are really bizarre. 490 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:45,080 And if you're a researcher or just a serious student of this, you're often in the position of walking a very fine line. 491 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,080 You're going into the depths of the weird. 492 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,080 Face it, get used to it. 493 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,080 It's the reality. 494 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,080 It's been a debate for decades. 495 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,080 Are aliens out there and have they ever made contact with us? 496 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:04,080 People are often very reluctant to talk about their anomalous experiences. 497 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,080 What is it? 498 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,080 Be careful, be careful. What is that? 499 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,080 Oh, what the f***? 500 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:21,080 However, partially due to the work of Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal with that amazing bombshell front page New York Times article back in 2017, 501 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,080 we're walking into a new chapter. 502 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,080 And then with these recent UAP hearings, we find ourselves in even another chapter. 503 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:35,080 The stigma, the ridicule, it's a real problem, but it's not a problem we can't overcome 504 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,080 because the conversation is elevating. 505 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:44,080 I see a huge uptick in people that have been approaching the community, privately, the experienced group, 506 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,080 folks that feel more comfortable, at least wanting to know other people that have been in their situation, 507 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,080 and then another level of people that are more willing to talk about this publicly like myself. 508 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,080 Whoa! 509 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,080 It's holly ass. Wow. It's got to be a drone or something. 510 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:07,080 That's either a drone or a UFO. You just see how it moved. That was incredible. 511 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:12,080 An experiencer is anybody that has had anomalous experiences of any and all kinds. 512 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,080 That could be UAP encounters, encounters with non-human entities, 513 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:22,080 and that is kind of hard for the general public to often wrap their head around. 514 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:30,080 The family says something crashed into their backyard, prompting them to call 911, 515 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,080 saying they saw creatures walking around. 516 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:39,080 There is a popular conception that people that have anomalous encounters are coops, 517 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,080 and that couldn't be further from the truth. 518 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:49,080 What I found is that we have people that have had high-level positions in Fortune 500 companies. 519 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:56,080 Doctors, lawyers, these are people that have a lot on the line in terms of their profession, 520 00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:02,080 in terms of their families, and often they can't talk about these situations that have happened with them. 521 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:09,080 But the stigma comes in because people don't want to handle that this is something real that people have seen. 522 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,080 So you immediately, when you poke your head up and people say, 523 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:18,080 okay, this is what I saw, they're demoralized, almost instantaneously. 524 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:23,080 One of the most commonly reported types is what's known as the gray alien. 525 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:31,080 They have large expanded crania, large eyes, they have small reduced faces, slim bodies. 526 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,080 They walk upright, they can breathe our air. 527 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,080 There's kind of two classes of grays that are often described. 528 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:42,080 There's one that's shorter, usually between about three and a half and four and a half feet tall, 529 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:50,080 and there's another class of grays that are taller, between five and even six and a half feet tall. 530 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:55,080 And interestingly, the smaller grays seem to be doing more mundane tasks, 531 00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:01,080 and the taller grays seem to be having more supervisorial positions. 532 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:06,080 Some people speculate that the smaller grays are some form of artificial intelligence, 533 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:11,080 that they might be some form of biological drone, almost akin to a robot. 534 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:26,080 There was a situation when I was about nine or ten years old where I fell asleep 535 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,080 and I woke up and passed the foot of my bed. 536 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:39,080 There were two beings that match the description of the small gray non-human beings. 537 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:46,080 And I feel sometimes reluctant to talk about it because I know the stigma attached to this. 538 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,080 One of them seems to be floating above the floor somehow. 539 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:59,080 Initially, I actually wasn't scared. It was like a sense of wonder, but that feeling was only a couple seconds. 540 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:08,080 Very quickly, almost at once, the being off the foot of my bed started moving towards me. 541 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:16,080 And as it started moving towards me, the other being raised its arm that had this wand in its hand towards me. 542 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:22,080 And at that point, I was terrified. And I don't remember what happened after that. 543 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:31,080 Let's make no mistake here. Many, many, many people have stated that they've had such experiences. 544 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:42,080 Question is, if something of that kind of a magnitude happens to you, who do you tell? 545 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:49,080 You tell the police? You tell some scientists? Or do you tell your brothers and sisters or your parents or your kids, your wife, your husband? 546 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,080 It's very difficult for people to talk about this. 547 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,080 Listen, I have a hard time with this. 548 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,080 Why? 549 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:04,080 Um, because I don't want to believe it. I really don't. 550 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,080 Why? Because I'm thinking I wouldn't mind it happening to me. 551 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:15,080 I mean, it's totally made me question what life's about. And it's stirred my life up a lot. 552 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:25,080 One thing you find across the board, a remarkable level of consistency in what people have reported with these experiences. 553 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,080 What did they look like? 554 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:36,080 I guess it's a pretty typical description nowadays. Very large eyes, hairless. 555 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:41,080 Did they feel like they were a living creature or did they feel like they were a robot? 556 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,080 Well, they were without expression, I'll say that. 557 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:53,080 When you really look at the full picture of it, you see a remarkable cohesiveness of description and of data. 558 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:59,080 That tells me that very likely these people are experiencing something real. 559 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:04,080 It's been challenging over the years sharing these situations with friends, family and others. 560 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,080 It's a difficult situation because I lost friends. 561 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,080 I've had a lot of challenges in talking with people about my anomalous experiences. 562 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:20,080 There have been a lot of situations that I know of personally where people have been shunned by their own family groups because they were thought to be crazy. 563 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:25,080 There are people that have lost their loved ones that have gotten divorced. 564 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:32,080 There are people that have lost access to their own children and that has even more severe implications. 565 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:39,080 And that some of these people that lose their families or have lost their jobs because word got around, they lost their reputations. 566 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,080 And then some of those people actually lost their lives. 567 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:47,080 There's a reason why we need to get past this stigma and why we need to be able to talk about these situations. 568 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,080 There's a mystery here that's worth solving. 569 00:49:50,080 --> 00:50:03,080 Whether it's everybody is crazy and there's a mass hallucination or that there is something here that's just beyond our reach and do we have then the necessary scientific talent to address it? 570 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:12,080 A pair of Harvard scientists say a massive fast-moving visitor to our solar system may have been a probe sent by an advanced alien civilization. 571 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:23,080 Oumuamu is the first observed object to come from outside of our solar system. 572 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:28,080 And get this, once it got here it behaved in ways that scientists can't quite explain. 573 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:40,080 My name is Avi Loeb. I'm the director of the Institute for Theory and Computation at Harvard University. 574 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:47,080 In 2017 there was an object detected by a telescope in Hawaii called Panstars. 575 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,080 And this object was moving too fast to be bound to the sun. 576 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,080 Oumuamua, is that what I said? 577 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,080 Yes, that's the right thing. 578 00:50:53,080 --> 00:51:04,080 Oumuamua, which is an object that we detected in space that you believe could possibly have been extraterrestrial in origin, meaning from some sort of a civilization. 579 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,080 Right. 580 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:10,080 Oumuamua was detected as a near-earth object the size of a football field. 581 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:16,080 It became clear that it's most likely flat in its shape, very unusual for a rock. 582 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:23,080 Moreover, it was pushed away from the sun by some mysterious force, which is also unusual for a rock. 583 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:29,080 That can happen if you have a comet that sheds mass evaporates. 584 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,080 And there was no cometary tail around this object. 585 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:37,080 First of all, this is historic, this discovery, because they've never seen something that's come from outside of our solar system. 586 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:43,080 It has a shape that scientists have never seen before, and at one point it sped up, and they couldn't explain why. 587 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:48,080 So a lot of mysteries, a lot of theories, one of them now is somebody came by to check us out. 588 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,080 The question is who manufactured Oumuamua. 589 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:56,080 The more data we collected about this object, the more anomalous it was. 590 00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:01,080 It led me to suggest that maybe it's pushed by reflecting sunlight. 591 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,080 And for that it had to be very thin, like a sail. 592 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:12,080 And nature doesn't make thin objects of that type, and so I suggested maybe it's artificial in origin. 593 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,080 Finding whether we are alone is one of the most fundamental questions. 594 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:24,080 Unfortunately, the situation is quite polarized right now because mobs on social media come together to just attack me personally. 595 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,080 And in a non-professional way. 596 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:31,080 And find that disturbing because this is the way science should be done. 597 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,080 Science is always about narrowing the scope of what the possible answers might be. 598 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:46,080 The data can provide this, and then you do successive experiments to narrow the scope until ET might be somewhere within the scope of that question. 599 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,080 Avi Lo did exactly this. 600 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:55,080 When you rule out the impossible, whatever remains as improbable as it is, must be the truth. 601 00:52:55,080 --> 00:53:01,080 They will go as far as saying it's insulting to science to actually suggest this is alien. 602 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,080 As scientists, you provide a theory, you offer evidence. 603 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:09,080 You don't say, well, you can't prove your theory, so this must be a possibility as well. 604 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,080 And even they're saying it's just clickbait, so don't be fooled. 605 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,080 Just clickbait? 606 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:20,080 Nevertheless, you hear others claiming that it's an embarrassment to science. 607 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:25,080 This is unfortunate because this is the way for us to gain new knowledge. 608 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,080 We have to be open-minded. 609 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,080 We need scientists on this. 610 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,080 Science used to be a realm where you're exploring the unknown. 611 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,080 That was the whole point. 612 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,080 If it's unknown, let's look at it. 613 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,080 But with this topic, you see a resistance to that. 614 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:49,080 This is really disappointing to me that people, instead of being inspired, are trying to step on every flower that rises above the grass level. 615 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:54,080 Jackie Farity is an astrophysicist at the American Museum of Natural History. 616 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:59,080 She says, oh, Muamua did not give off any signals suggesting it was a spacecraft. 617 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:05,080 If you say that the top 10 lists of explanations does not include Alien Probe, what is on that list? 618 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,080 It's a comet. 619 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,080 Or an asteroid. 620 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,080 Or an asteroid, a rock. 621 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,080 Where is alien civilization on the list of explanations? 622 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,080 I don't know. 623 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,080 Real low. 624 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,080 Real low. 625 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:20,080 Now, even scientists, other scientists in his discipline, came out and said, oh, it couldn't possibly be. 626 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,080 Or, you know, Avi's gone off the ranch. 627 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,080 No, he hadn't. 628 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,080 He's just said that it's within the scope of possible answers. 629 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:37,080 It is absolutely true to say that the scientific community has been not just skeptical of UFOs for generations, but I would say fairly hostile. 630 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,080 And an aversion. 631 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:45,080 And more than an aversion, a fear, a genuine deep-seated fear of being tainted by this subject. 632 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:53,080 When you get scientists with that level of hubris, it's really hard to backtrack from there and start considering other possibilities. 633 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,080 Now, this thing's got to be like a ship, right? 634 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,080 That looks too much like a spaceship. 635 00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:07,080 So, so, the reason why it's probably not aliens is its trajectory around the sun was completely determined by gravitational forces. 636 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,080 How do you know? 637 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,080 Because we not, we calculate this. 638 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,080 Neil deGrasse Tyson needs to grow up. 639 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,080 I think Neil deGrasse Tyson is jealous. 640 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,080 You can publish that. 641 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,080 He's acting more like an astrologer than an astronomer. 642 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,080 He's acting more like a priest. 643 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,080 Look at the people who are the most against it. 644 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,080 They're actually not practicing scientists. 645 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,080 They're opinion scientists. 646 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:36,080 When's the last time any of these people have actually been anywhere near a laboratory or near a measurement device? 647 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:42,080 The signal we get from it is elongated, but it's probably a rubble pile stretched into that shape. 648 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,080 Because you don't get that by nature. 649 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,080 You don't get that. 650 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,080 Yeah, that's why it's man-made. 651 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,080 Alien-made. 652 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,080 Alien-made. 653 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,080 You want that to be aliens. 654 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,080 That's what, that's up. 655 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,080 You want that to be aliens. 656 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,080 Of course I want that to be aliens. 657 00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,080 These people should be forced to give back their PhDs. 658 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:10,080 If you're not going to honor your oath of how you're going to address and approach data and openness to ideas, 659 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,080 and you're going to use ridicule, you've lost. 660 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,080 If this were aliens in some kind of advanced ship, it would be maneuvering. 661 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,080 Because a tennis ball would have that trajectory moving at that speed. 662 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,080 That's all. 663 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,080 Any chance that's a tennis ball? 664 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,080 No. 665 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:33,080 Since then, of course, the scrutiny became even bigger. 666 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:38,080 In the months and years that followed, the pushback intensified. 667 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,080 The problem is that the scientists are not seeking evidence. 668 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,080 They're not really studying those objects that look anomalous. 669 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:51,080 A t'omu'a mua could not have been made by us, because it was passing near us just for a few months. 670 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:58,080 Very quickly, faster than any rocket that we can launch, that's why we couldn't really chase it when it was receding away from us. 671 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,080 And it came from outside the solar system. 672 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,080 So, you know, I just do one plus one equal two. 673 00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,080 I say, okay, it looks very peculiar. 674 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,080 Maybe it belongs to another civilization. 675 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:15,080 I attended a colloquium about t'omu'a mua at Harvard University, 676 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:20,080 and I left the room after it was over with a colleague of mine that worked on space rocks for decades. 677 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:26,080 That colleague said, t'omu'a mua is so weird, I wish it never existed. 678 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:32,080 To me, that's exactly the opposite of the way a scientist should approach anomalous data. 679 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,080 It should be an exciting opportunity to learn something new. 680 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,080 It should be inspiring. 681 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,080 That should be a situation that we aspire to have. 682 00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,080 So, I actually see it as a blessing, you know? 683 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,080 I can't imagine why anybody would be upset that it exists. 684 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,080 Like, I wish it didn't exist. That's kind of hilarious. 685 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,080 Because it takes you away from your comfort zone, you know? 686 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,080 There are lots of people who imagine that we are unique and special. 687 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,080 Obviously, that flutters our ego. 688 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,080 It's really important to recognize that the Earth is not the descent of the world. 689 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:09,080 So, reality puts constraints on our imagination. 690 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:15,080 But we need to adapt to that and accept the verdict of experimental data evidence 691 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,080 rather than have an opinion to start with. 692 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:22,080 And unfortunately, within the public, lots of people have opinions. 693 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:27,080 Here to introduce itself to all of us, interstellar asteroid, uma mua. 694 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,080 Oh, hi guys! 695 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,080 I'm uma mua mua. I'm just visiting your solar system. 696 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,080 You know, I'm on traveling. I'm on holiday. 697 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,080 And in the scientific community, you have exactly the same situation 698 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:46,080 where scientists prefer to argue that we are alone. 699 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:51,080 So that is the main damage that I see to innovation in science. 700 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:57,080 And of course, it suppresses our ability to gain new knowledge about our cosmic neighborhood. 701 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:05,080 We at NASA are acutely aware of the considerable public interest in UAP. 702 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:10,080 However, it's critical to understand any form of harassment towards our panelists 703 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,080 only serves to detract from the scientific process, 704 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,080 which requires an environment of respect and openness. 705 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:22,080 It is really disheartening to hear of the harassment that our panelists have faced online 706 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,080 all because they're studying this topic. 707 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,080 Scientists, they've got reputations to protect. 708 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:34,080 They've got their own intellectual turf that they've taken years and decades and generations to build. 709 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,080 They're not just going to give that up. 710 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:42,080 It's our job as scientists to investigate the great unknowns of the universe around us. 711 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:47,080 By just brushing this aside or saying it's not real, it doesn't exist, 712 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:52,080 or these are unidentified so we can't know what they are, does it disservice to humanity? 713 00:59:55,080 --> 01:00:00,080 People know things, especially top secret things. 714 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,080 I would say are at risk. 715 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,080 Oh, fuck yeah, they are. 716 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,080 I want to know your thoughts on that. 717 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,080 At being at risk? 718 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,080 Yeah. 719 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,080 I'm a journalist. I'm untouchable. 720 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:19,080 You have an inspiring amount of confidence that journalists are safe. 721 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,080 I've got to be one of the US's allies. 722 01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:27,080 Literally, I know. 723 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:33,080 You seem very confident that this journalist has averaged her taxation. 724 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:41,080 I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. 725 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:46,080 I mean, the truth of it, I've been told by a lot of people that I respect 726 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,080 that I'm in the hall of mirrors and watch your fucking back. 727 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:55,080 I know people have suffered grievous injury for reporting. 728 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,080 I know that. 729 01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,080 But again, I don't know, man. 730 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,080 I just, I've never, I can't talk about all that. 731 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,080 I have been threatened before. 732 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,080 I have been threatened. 733 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,080 Straight up. 734 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,080 What are they going to do? 735 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,080 Give me just a second, okay? 736 01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,080 Man, look, I'm not going to stop pushing. 737 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,080 That's what's going to happen, whatever that looks like. 738 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,080 You know, we, it's not just like we have a right to know this stuff. 739 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,080 We have a need to know it, whatever that truth is. 740 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:58,080 And I'm not claiming to know it, but I do know that I feel a sense of duty to find out. 741 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,080 And I'm just going to keep pushing. 742 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,080 I'm going to fight until the wheels fall off, whatever that means. 743 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,080 One step, one day at a time. 744 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,080 So what do I want to happen? 745 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,080 I want the truth. 746 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,080 I'm going to fight until the wheels fall off. 747 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,080 As far as you and George are just doing your job, 748 01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:26,080 there's plenty of people in prison that are just doing their jobs. 749 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:31,080 Bob Lazar is a renegade, one of the original whistleblowers. 750 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,080 Just be careful, don't step on the wrong toes. 751 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:42,080 A genuine disclosure of the UAP UFO subject will show, 752 01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:49,080 potentially at the deepest levels, a society that has lived a foundational lie for an entire human lifetime. 753 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,080 From a newsman's perspective, it would be the biggest story in history. 754 01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,080 The biggest story, period. 755 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,080 Got a still image of something called the chandelier UAP. 756 01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,080 Does that ring a bell to you? 757 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,080 It does. 758 01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:10,080 I've come across a number of direct witnesses who have convinced me that they are, brace yourself, 759 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,080 human looking beings, but they're not quite like us. 760 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,080 They're here. 761 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:18,080 This is potentially world conquering information, 762 01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,080 technology that can change the course of man time, 763 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:27,080 but you could at least admit the one thing that there is another civilization visiting us. 764 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,080 At least come to grips with that. 765 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:34,080 If it comes out, what it is, it could be a really dark moment for humanity. 766 01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:14,020 The UAP UFO is a series of 767 01:04:14,020 --> 01:04:15,080 The UAP UFO 768 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:20,080 The UAP UFO is a series of 769 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,080 The UAP UFO is a series of 770 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:23,080 The UAP UFO is a series of 771 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,080 It's now our job to pry these doors open. 772 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,080 They do look like humans and they walk among us. 773 01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,080 When we turned around it was gone. There was something there that obviously was. 774 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:36,080 It is your determination that there's something major to it and the public should know? 775 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,080 Absolutely.